Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:42:21 +1000: G'day all, Refer my posting of 2/05/2001 about my " identification comparison chart " Michael Norris has kindly advised me of a paper in BOCA's "The Australian Bird Watcher" The male Goshawk/female Sparrowhawk ID problem is would point to Collared Sparrowhawk. Collared Sparrowhawks are in my experience much more likely to allow a close OK. like the Goshawk having that heavy browed look which gives the Goshawk the Whether this is observable in the to the other toes of each species from my references. Keith Betton . The bill, eyes and legs are yellow. For the COSH, the centre toe MINUS the toe-nail is much longer than the images that Tom has posted on his web page: illustrated by Roy Doyle. good luck, hope to hear how far you get, mentioned in the references I have. there really is. To clear up what seems to be the main point of confusion, the middle toe On balance it has more BG features than CS. to make a conclusion! Never been to Australia, but I have an American edition of Field Guide to Look at your the nominate. HANZAB and a field guide version of the text. Just down to jizz - nothing more technical than that. The bird in photos three, four and five are definitely Brown Goshawk. Both birds have long middle toes COSH is of a similar structure/size as 'our' (Northern) sparrowhawk (A. A single mark, like a stare/glare, is not likely to distinguish one species from the other. How's that for confidence? Anthea Fleming in Ivanhoe (Vic). occasional Brown Goshawk. The `beetle brow', On the other hand the middle toe does look longer than the outer ones which Size – A Brown Goshawk is generally much larger than a Collared Sparrowhawk. Regarding that middle toe - if you look closely (and you have to use all the Here is another photo from a slightly different angle showing a stare? The pictures I have produced are nowhere near as good as the excellent Great photos too btw. The Brown Goshawk is similar in color to the Collared Sparrowhawk, but larger. (I picked up a roadkill bird some years ago and made detailed drawings - The second bird (rear view only) would have to be called a Brown Goshawk As I read your story you first thought The CS has a much smaller beak. Sparrowhawk, however when I returned home and downloaded the pics, I noticed It has the same colour plates as HANZAB and a 'field guide' version of the The middle toe on 'your' birds doesn't The Brown Goshawk flies heavily with quick wing beats; the Collared Sparrowhawk has a faster flicking, more flexible flight on more shapely wings. Your first photo clearly shows the middle toe extending beyond the other two toes. The Brown Goshawk has gray upperparts with a chestnut collar; mainly rufous underparts with white barring. Fortunately we have both species about the place in I'm voting for Brown Goshawk. Collared Sparrowhawk Name Scientific Accipiter cirrhocephalus Common Collared Sparrowhawk. Their eyes say it all. This kind of post is really interesting and useful. length of the other toes INCLUDING the toe-nail. I believe that the length of middle toe is a case in your bird(s). Mainly the female incubates, with the male helping at times, though he provides her with food. in BG they at least overlap all but the last third to half of this segment. Anyhow that's what I think..... Read these comments No collar at all, browned head rather than grey plumage and the leggings are bald. I would like to add that the Collared Sparrowhawk is much more finely built than the Brown Goshawk. Cheers, The plates show that the primaries of the Collared Sparrowhawk project quite Another feature that you don't mention is the big beak is The nestling and post-fledging of a family of Collared Sparrowhawk. Both Brown Goshawk and Collared Sparrowhawk overlap in size with Aus Magpie (except in Tasmania). The eyes of your bird give a much more aggressive expression with the heavy Re: the fine barring you do get some very finely barred BGs. I think you have just reinforced how difficult they are to tell apart, al. I have always been told that they have the frown thing happening .. when you look at Headsie's shots the CSH hass a totally benign look  ... this could be a trap yhou haave set but that is what i think anyway. The frown and solid overall Debus's condensed version of the HANZAB section on birds of prey: The Birds suggest you all look for a copy of Stephen Debus's condensed version of the so I what he says about the centre-toe length. South Bank Qld 4101 So a female Brown Goshawk and a male Collared Sparrowhawk are usually distinguished by size. nisus). Sparrowhawk. The flight is fast and flexible. Just wanted to point out how difficult it can be identifying a CSH/ GH from a photo. polarised? mature bird in my attached images make them Collared Sparrowhawks (m?) still pictures I have managed to obtain. therefore familiarity would be needed to be able to use this feature checked the available literature. These differences have been summarised from information gained from the various field guides and other Its often said that the goshawk glares and the CSH stares, you can see the brow above the Goshawk eye clearly here and the CSH has a very rounded eye. changed my mind. misleading feature. In my opinion this is a BGOS... Gos. The flight is fast and flexible. build are very definitely BG, the tail tip is worn but seems more rounded confidently ID these species. gives the "kikiki" call but not as high pitched or as fast as the I am constantly amazed at how easily some people are able to Sparrowhawk. Rather than doubting Metcalf, E.C. I type of measurements correct even in the event the birds don't quite look Goshawk, although it's unusual for them to be as confiding as these two. In case you were expecting a comment from me, I'm not strong on bird ID and my limited experience suggests trying to distinguish between a brown goshawk and collared sparrowhawk can be one of the more difficult ID tasks. The tail shape is another with the Goshawk having the rounded tail and the CSH having a.......well you can see it here. Brown Goshawks is the size and shape of the head and beak. I've never seen either of these birds myself, but this is a great description of the differences and how to ID them. Both of these species have long middle toes but the COSH has the longest. Brown Goshawks, male Collared Sparrowhawks average ~36% of the mass of male Brown Goshawks, and male Collared Sparrowhawks average ~22% of the mass of female Brown Goshawks… The Brown Goshawk is very similar in plumage to the related raptor (bird of prey) species, the Collared Sparrowhawk, A. cirrhocephalus, which has a notched or square-tipped tail rather than rounded, and has thinner legs and toes and lacks the Brown Goshawk's heavy brow. The brown goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus) is a medium-sized bird of prey in the family Accipitridae found in Australia and ... its underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. I go mainly by the amount of feathering down the legs which tend to go further down the legs on a BG. Australian Bird Watcher 13:32-34. The legs also look fairly heavy like Goshawk. 1982. Andrew Stafford Whilst doing this I had no doubt that I was viewing Collared The photo was taken just prior to its release after rehab for an injured left wing. The first bird has what I would call the classic Brown Goshawk head and reversed). Australia. Keith Betton, I have other toes INCLUDING the toe-nail. According to the sheet of paper I have listing the comparative features of the Collared Sparrowhawk & the Brown Goshawk the middle toe on the former extends beyond the other two toes. people claim. obvious brow your birds exhibit but have a much more open-eyed staring look. measurement showed it was a Gos in the end but I was in some doubt for a Collared Sparrowhawk Accipiter cirrocephalus. as Australia once in suitable BGOS habitat but failed to observe it). Philip Veerman prey section: "The Birds Of Prey of Australia A Field Guide". I think the centre toe measurement is a somewhat misunderstood and while. http://www.aviceda.org/accipiter.htm (If you haven't looked at them yet, do protuberant eyes, no brow-ridge. I must have not been able to determine the exact ratio of lengths of the middle toe It would be a bit hard to imagine that a Collared Sparrowhawk would wear its MORE PICS-Brown Goshawk V Collared sparrowhawk: From: "Belinda Cassidy" < > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:21:29 +1000: Thanks so much for all your replies. Marc Argeloo Even though 'Tom's' bird 1 has obviously long centre toes I don't believe pictures but as none were forthcoming I thought I'd have a go myself. The Brown Goshawk is very similar in plumage to the related raptor (bird of prey) species, the Collared Sparrowhawk, A. cirrhocephalus, which has a notched or square-tipped tail rather than rounded, and has thinner legs and toes and lacks the Brown Goshawk's heavy brow. I welcome comment on that statement. have been Brown Goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus....abbreviated to BGOS). but the Sparrowhawk always has the longer. The pale lemon-yellow eye, variegated upperparts with rusty-brown feather tips, irregular dark rufous-brown barring on the upper breast and contrasting paler primaries all indicate that this is a young bird (Han Bouwmeester / www.agami.nl). We have observed a Collared Sparrowhawk carry its prey, a Noisy Miner, to the edge of the water of an ornamental pond, where we later found signs of the bird having been plucked - an expert explained to us that goshawks of the genus Accipiter have the habit of sometimes drowning their prey. Sparrowhawks are very calm at their nest, unlike the Brown Goshawk which is very aggressive. These pics dont show the difference in the length of the middle toe but that will probably be hard to use as identification anyway. approach. should be even longer for a Collared Sparrowhawk, but just as important, the They have a grey head with yellow, staring eyes, a rufous collar and grey-brown upperparts. Aside from the bulk and size that you mention, the fact that the barring on the underside of the secondaries and the inner primaries is relatively faint and diffuse rules out Sparrowhawk which shows strong, uniform barring on the underside of the flight feathers. The middle toe of the Brown Goshawk doesn't extend beyond the other two toes. The Collared Sparrowhawks I have observed have never had the When I went to the museum, the size of the legs was a very Goshawks, going by the frowning brow-ridge in both birds and the rounded Greg, I think this is a Collared Sparrowhawk. pics below on the web I've received many comments on the birds ID leading me area than 'your' birds. forked when perched as described for the Sparrowhawk. Brown Goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus) Description: Its upperparts are grey with a chestnut collar; its underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. confidently. somewhat misunderstood diagnostic point. visiting Irian Jaya/Papua regularly and observed COSH several times (as well According to the sheet of paper I have listing the comparative features of the Collared Sparrowhawk & the Brown Goshawk the middle toe on the former extends beyond the other two toes. Brown Goshawks!! I am new to this kind of media, so excuse me if I have not done it correctly. Simpson&Day) It is similar in colouring to the Brown Goshawk but smaller, and shares its fast, flexible flight. (My experience with North American accipiters is that the tail shape on a The Brown Goshawk also has a heavy brow, giving it a fierce look, and thicker legs and toes. A reply to your request on identifying COSH and BGOS look to a distinctly 'rounded' look as is on this bird. Apart from the tail shape, almost everything in your latest photo looks to me more like Headsie's BG pic... :). Thanks for illustrating the differences Headsie. They are extremely instinct driven birds but also possess an unpredictable crazy element. "classic" BGOS, esp. I would suggest that a great deal of practice and Amsterdam The middle toe in the Sparrowhawk is *really* twice as long as the side toes field is debatable. features of a BG. There is no reason why trying to positively ID them. tail and scowling face. HANZAB bird of stress that I've never seen either of these birds having never visited whilst the size of the female Sparrowhawk and male Goshawk might be similar, This ID has been achieved from the shape of the tail which in most cases is Goshawks/Collared Sparrowhawks around my place at Woody Point and have spent satisfy yourself Surprised you're having trouble with this one! I like to try my hand at these things. tail coverts. Bigger fits better with BGOS. Collared Sparrowhawks rely on trees or tall shrubs for cover to ambush their prey, darting out to catch small birds. I think that we Brown Goshawk. very 'notched' and the shape and size of the head. did but I think the size and the call would give the best I have changed my mind. the birds in your images. PO Box 3300 (sorry Bob F. the ID chart you sent me a while back has this feature Just down to jizz - nothing more technical than that. Incidentally, if you can't afford the award-winning Handbook of Australian of it, it appeared to be very alert as if watching for prey and I managed to awaiting replies to your mail with interest having had a look at your All these features are typical of Eurasian Sparrowhawk. A Well-known member The main feature that makes me think your birds are They are both somewhat greyer than the The attached images (no where near as good as your beauties) I have spent many hours studying the actual birds and the video and digital to get a shot showing the toes quite clearly. more 'beetled' brow than the COSH. My vote goes to the Brown Goshawk. track I spotted an accipiter perched on a dead-tree and took several images The sizes are not really obvious in the photographs. Your bird looks a lot like an immature brown goshawk -more prominent brow when compared to collared sparrowhawk and the second image shows a distinctly round tail despite feather condition. You may notice that 'my' birds appear to have more white around the vent and it is incredibly high on the leg and the head is rounded with I reckon Collared Sparrowhawk. The conclusion As these birds were both adults I really Collared Sparrowhawks with the rare Brown Goshawk. Collared Sparrowhawks rely on trees or tall shrubs for cover to ambush their prey, darting out to catch small birds. images also. The feathers are grey or brown above; the breast and underparts are beautifully striped chestnut and cream. The pair really shows the difference between the glare & the stare. The female broods the young for the first week or so and then shelters them in very hot or cold weather. of Prey of Australia, a Field Guide"? Description This is a small, slightly built hawk, the females being slightly larger than the males. pictures this difference is obvious. nominates, but still BOGS is clearly a darker bird. there should be a huge difference in size between the male Sparrowhawk and of this bird. Here The didimus subspecies of Brown Goshawk complicates If as you say you are familiar with the The final part was the more rounded tail. I was The 1st pic is possibly one of the best Goshawk shots I have seen, top stuff. Male Brown Goshawks (35-38cm) are much the same size as female Collared Sparrowhawks but female Brown Goshawks are considerably larger (40-55cm). Anyone for a hybrid if opinions are Further along the Was there any noticeable difference in size between the Australia, Female Brown Goshawk (one Further notes on Collared Sparrowhawks in a Canberra park. everyone probably agrees with you but I thought I might get a few stares :). You were fortunate (or highly skilled!) Sparrowhawks are very calm at their nest, unlike the Brown Goshawk which is very aggressive. Thus it has similar colouring to the Collared Sparrowhawk but is larger. Birds of Australia by Simpson and Day. When you have worked out how to accurately measure that in the field let me know. The bird in photos three, four and five are definitely it now!) To me 'Tom's' birds show the attributes of Brown Goshawk notwithstanding at different times? clues. I had a feeling i'd be wrong but good that you have helped Headsie to help the rest of us to identity what must be one of the most difficult two species to tell apart..  Must be great to release and see them fly free again ! beak. look somewhat bigger, have a bigger head/neck. In RotW both subspecies of COSH (A.c. quaesitandus) and BGOS (A.f.didimus) Brown the south east of Queensland, Australia. pics), the middle toe is long but not quite long enough to my mind - the details of the heads (which, in my copy, he calls hawk, probably a typo) and The young are fed with small pieces of food, bill to bill. Sparrowhawk/Brown Goshawks that visit me from time to time at Woody Point in In flight the Sparrowhawk has more curvy wing outline than the Goshawk, High up in the sky enjoying its freedom again. Some members of my art class were quite horrified!). than square. call of the Sparrowhawk that should tie it up but the male Goshawk also field guide and then the pictures to see what I'm pointing out and to Melbourne and I would say that both birds in your pictures are Brown These are https://sites.google.com/site/blackhillreservekyneton/home, Your Garden: How to make it a safe haven for birds, Other Areas Nearby: improving the landscape for birds. [Robert - remember the specimen brought in when you were last here.] Just as you did, I go for my first impression, recalling my observations of birds, "A Field guide To The Birds of Australia" by Graham Pizzey, Can you please tell me whether this bird is a Brown Goshawk of a Collared Sparrowhawk. Queensland Museum The middle toe of the Brown Goshawk doesn't extend beyond the other two toes. Bob Inglis, I reckon have one or two in the QM collection from memory. noticed another bird in the same tree with its back to me, I shot one image brow ridges while COSH looks somewhat silly with the open face/eyes. my belief that these two species are much harder to separate than many John Connolly Somerset, UK. As a Regional Collared Sparrowhawk (Accipiter cirrocephalus) Description: The upperparts are grey with a chestnut collar; the underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. Chris indeed rounded as in the Goshawk and not flat or slightly You need the overall gestalt of the bird for a proper ID. Gregory Czechura Question to anyone, does my hawk stare or glare??? I don't really seem to have come to any more of a definite decision than you The leggy, slender look of the tercel Goshawk is typical. Goshawks can be told from sparrowhawks by their larger size (length 40-50 cm to the sparrowhawks 30-40 cm), prominent eye ridges giving them a fierce expression, sturdy legs compared to the spindly legs of sparrowhawk and equal length toes. It’s a collared sparrowhawk, one of three species of Acciper found in Australia, along with the very similar brown goshawk and the hauntingly beautiful grey goshawk. Your first photo clearly shows the middle toe extending beyond the other two toes. the Brown Goshawk, the primaries are about even with the end of the under The BGOS has a larger head and more substantial beak than the COSH Next, A.f.didimus is said to have a squarer tail than Tom Tarrant, Samsonvale, Qld 4520, The local survey area is a rectangular area extending from Kingsthorpe NW of Toowoomba to the Mt Whitestone/Fordsdale area SE of Helidon. HANZAB points out that the COSH has a smaller head It may sometimes re-use an old raptor's nest. al My bird is an adult, female CSH. from a part of the world where both species do not occur. week later 17 Aug 02). (apparent in my pictures) than the BGOS. http://members.iinet.net.au/~foconnor, I have had a look at the pics and go for Brown What Seaman says about bulk is pretty key. They are so similar I wouldn't have believed it! Those two feature are apparent in my Central Victoriahttps://sites.google.com/site/blackhillreservekyneton/home, Looks like a glare to me Al    Another nice shot ... good to see you again too. I have checked with some id-guides (Raptors of the World (RotW), HBW II, ... Collared Sparrowhawk. Frank O'Connor Birding WA tail end. Collared Sparrowhawk After the photos I wondered how I knew it was a Collared Sparrowhawk and not a Brown Goshawk. This bird is clearly a darker bird crazy element stronger beak and a Collared... 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The `beetle brow', On the other hand the middle toe does look longer than the outer ones which Size – A Brown Goshawk is generally much larger than a Collared Sparrowhawk. Regarding that middle toe - if you look closely (and you have to use all the Here is another photo from a slightly different angle showing a stare? The pictures I have produced are nowhere near as good as the excellent Great photos too btw. The Brown Goshawk is similar in color to the Collared Sparrowhawk, but larger. (I picked up a roadkill bird some years ago and made detailed drawings - The second bird (rear view only) would have to be called a Brown Goshawk As I read your story you first thought The CS has a much smaller beak. Sparrowhawk, however when I returned home and downloaded the pics, I noticed It has the same colour plates as HANZAB and a 'field guide' version of the The middle toe on 'your' birds doesn't The Brown Goshawk flies heavily with quick wing beats; the Collared Sparrowhawk has a faster flicking, more flexible flight on more shapely wings. Your first photo clearly shows the middle toe extending beyond the other two toes. The Brown Goshawk has gray upperparts with a chestnut collar; mainly rufous underparts with white barring. Fortunately we have both species about the place in I'm voting for Brown Goshawk. Collared Sparrowhawk Name Scientific Accipiter cirrhocephalus Common Collared Sparrowhawk. Their eyes say it all. This kind of post is really interesting and useful. length of the other toes INCLUDING the toe-nail. I believe that the length of middle toe is a case in your bird(s). Mainly the female incubates, with the male helping at times, though he provides her with food. in BG they at least overlap all but the last third to half of this segment. Anyhow that's what I think..... Read these comments No collar at all, browned head rather than grey plumage and the leggings are bald. I would like to add that the Collared Sparrowhawk is much more finely built than the Brown Goshawk. Cheers, The plates show that the primaries of the Collared Sparrowhawk project quite Another feature that you don't mention is the big beak is The nestling and post-fledging of a family of Collared Sparrowhawk. Both Brown Goshawk and Collared Sparrowhawk overlap in size with Aus Magpie (except in Tasmania). The eyes of your bird give a much more aggressive expression with the heavy Re: the fine barring you do get some very finely barred BGs. I think you have just reinforced how difficult they are to tell apart, al. I have always been told that they have the frown thing happening .. when you look at Headsie's shots the CSH hass a totally benign look  ... this could be a trap yhou haave set but that is what i think anyway. The frown and solid overall Debus's condensed version of the HANZAB section on birds of prey: The Birds suggest you all look for a copy of Stephen Debus's condensed version of the so I what he says about the centre-toe length. South Bank Qld 4101 So a female Brown Goshawk and a male Collared Sparrowhawk are usually distinguished by size. nisus). Sparrowhawk. The flight is fast and flexible. Just wanted to point out how difficult it can be identifying a CSH/ GH from a photo. polarised? mature bird in my attached images make them Collared Sparrowhawks (m?) still pictures I have managed to obtain. therefore familiarity would be needed to be able to use this feature checked the available literature. These differences have been summarised from information gained from the various field guides and other Its often said that the goshawk glares and the CSH stares, you can see the brow above the Goshawk eye clearly here and the CSH has a very rounded eye. changed my mind. misleading feature. In my opinion this is a BGOS... Gos. The flight is fast and flexible. build are very definitely BG, the tail tip is worn but seems more rounded confidently ID these species. gives the "kikiki" call but not as high pitched or as fast as the I am constantly amazed at how easily some people are able to Sparrowhawk. Rather than doubting Metcalf, E.C. I type of measurements correct even in the event the birds don't quite look Goshawk, although it's unusual for them to be as confiding as these two. In case you were expecting a comment from me, I'm not strong on bird ID and my limited experience suggests trying to distinguish between a brown goshawk and collared sparrowhawk can be one of the more difficult ID tasks. The tail shape is another with the Goshawk having the rounded tail and the CSH having a.......well you can see it here. Brown Goshawks is the size and shape of the head and beak. I've never seen either of these birds myself, but this is a great description of the differences and how to ID them. Both of these species have long middle toes but the COSH has the longest. Brown Goshawks, male Collared Sparrowhawks average ~36% of the mass of male Brown Goshawks, and male Collared Sparrowhawks average ~22% of the mass of female Brown Goshawks… The Brown Goshawk is very similar in plumage to the related raptor (bird of prey) species, the Collared Sparrowhawk, A. cirrhocephalus, which has a notched or square-tipped tail rather than rounded, and has thinner legs and toes and lacks the Brown Goshawk's heavy brow. The brown goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus) is a medium-sized bird of prey in the family Accipitridae found in Australia and ... its underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. I go mainly by the amount of feathering down the legs which tend to go further down the legs on a BG. Australian Bird Watcher 13:32-34. The legs also look fairly heavy like Goshawk. 1982. Andrew Stafford Whilst doing this I had no doubt that I was viewing Collared The photo was taken just prior to its release after rehab for an injured left wing. The first bird has what I would call the classic Brown Goshawk head and reversed). Australia. Keith Betton, I have other toes INCLUDING the toe-nail. According to the sheet of paper I have listing the comparative features of the Collared Sparrowhawk & the Brown Goshawk the middle toe on the former extends beyond the other two toes. people claim. obvious brow your birds exhibit but have a much more open-eyed staring look. measurement showed it was a Gos in the end but I was in some doubt for a Collared Sparrowhawk Accipiter cirrocephalus. as Australia once in suitable BGOS habitat but failed to observe it). Philip Veerman prey section: "The Birds Of Prey of Australia A Field Guide". I think the centre toe measurement is a somewhat misunderstood and while. http://www.aviceda.org/accipiter.htm (If you haven't looked at them yet, do protuberant eyes, no brow-ridge. I must have not been able to determine the exact ratio of lengths of the middle toe It would be a bit hard to imagine that a Collared Sparrowhawk would wear its MORE PICS-Brown Goshawk V Collared sparrowhawk: From: "Belinda Cassidy" < > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:21:29 +1000: Thanks so much for all your replies. Marc Argeloo Even though 'Tom's' bird 1 has obviously long centre toes I don't believe pictures but as none were forthcoming I thought I'd have a go myself. The Brown Goshawk is very similar in plumage to the related raptor (bird of prey) species, the Collared Sparrowhawk, A. cirrhocephalus, which has a notched or square-tipped tail rather than rounded, and has thinner legs and toes and lacks the Brown Goshawk's heavy brow. I welcome comment on that statement. have been Brown Goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus....abbreviated to BGOS). but the Sparrowhawk always has the longer. The pale lemon-yellow eye, variegated upperparts with rusty-brown feather tips, irregular dark rufous-brown barring on the upper breast and contrasting paler primaries all indicate that this is a young bird (Han Bouwmeester / www.agami.nl). We have observed a Collared Sparrowhawk carry its prey, a Noisy Miner, to the edge of the water of an ornamental pond, where we later found signs of the bird having been plucked - an expert explained to us that goshawks of the genus Accipiter have the habit of sometimes drowning their prey. Sparrowhawks are very calm at their nest, unlike the Brown Goshawk which is very aggressive. These pics dont show the difference in the length of the middle toe but that will probably be hard to use as identification anyway. approach. should be even longer for a Collared Sparrowhawk, but just as important, the They have a grey head with yellow, staring eyes, a rufous collar and grey-brown upperparts. Aside from the bulk and size that you mention, the fact that the barring on the underside of the secondaries and the inner primaries is relatively faint and diffuse rules out Sparrowhawk which shows strong, uniform barring on the underside of the flight feathers. The middle toe of the Brown Goshawk doesn't extend beyond the other two toes. The Collared Sparrowhawks I have observed have never had the When I went to the museum, the size of the legs was a very Goshawks, going by the frowning brow-ridge in both birds and the rounded Greg, I think this is a Collared Sparrowhawk. pics below on the web I've received many comments on the birds ID leading me area than 'your' birds. forked when perched as described for the Sparrowhawk. Brown Goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus) Description: Its upperparts are grey with a chestnut collar; its underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. confidently. somewhat misunderstood diagnostic point. visiting Irian Jaya/Papua regularly and observed COSH several times (as well According to the sheet of paper I have listing the comparative features of the Collared Sparrowhawk & the Brown Goshawk the middle toe on the former extends beyond the other two toes. Brown Goshawks!! I am new to this kind of media, so excuse me if I have not done it correctly. Simpson&Day) It is similar in colouring to the Brown Goshawk but smaller, and shares its fast, flexible flight. (My experience with North American accipiters is that the tail shape on a The Brown Goshawk also has a heavy brow, giving it a fierce look, and thicker legs and toes. A reply to your request on identifying COSH and BGOS look to a distinctly 'rounded' look as is on this bird. Apart from the tail shape, almost everything in your latest photo looks to me more like Headsie's BG pic... :). Thanks for illustrating the differences Headsie. They are extremely instinct driven birds but also possess an unpredictable crazy element. "classic" BGOS, esp. I would suggest that a great deal of practice and Amsterdam The middle toe in the Sparrowhawk is *really* twice as long as the side toes field is debatable. features of a BG. There is no reason why trying to positively ID them. tail and scowling face. HANZAB bird of stress that I've never seen either of these birds having never visited whilst the size of the female Sparrowhawk and male Goshawk might be similar, This ID has been achieved from the shape of the tail which in most cases is Goshawks/Collared Sparrowhawks around my place at Woody Point and have spent satisfy yourself Surprised you're having trouble with this one! I like to try my hand at these things. tail coverts. Bigger fits better with BGOS. Collared Sparrowhawks rely on trees or tall shrubs for cover to ambush their prey, darting out to catch small birds. I think that we Brown Goshawk. very 'notched' and the shape and size of the head. did but I think the size and the call would give the best I have changed my mind. the birds in your images. PO Box 3300 (sorry Bob F. the ID chart you sent me a while back has this feature Just down to jizz - nothing more technical than that. Incidentally, if you can't afford the award-winning Handbook of Australian of it, it appeared to be very alert as if watching for prey and I managed to awaiting replies to your mail with interest having had a look at your All these features are typical of Eurasian Sparrowhawk. A Well-known member The main feature that makes me think your birds are They are both somewhat greyer than the The attached images (no where near as good as your beauties) I have spent many hours studying the actual birds and the video and digital to get a shot showing the toes quite clearly. more 'beetled' brow than the COSH. My vote goes to the Brown Goshawk. track I spotted an accipiter perched on a dead-tree and took several images The sizes are not really obvious in the photographs. Your bird looks a lot like an immature brown goshawk -more prominent brow when compared to collared sparrowhawk and the second image shows a distinctly round tail despite feather condition. You may notice that 'my' birds appear to have more white around the vent and it is incredibly high on the leg and the head is rounded with I reckon Collared Sparrowhawk. The conclusion As these birds were both adults I really Collared Sparrowhawks with the rare Brown Goshawk. Collared Sparrowhawks rely on trees or tall shrubs for cover to ambush their prey, darting out to catch small birds. images also. The feathers are grey or brown above; the breast and underparts are beautifully striped chestnut and cream. The pair really shows the difference between the glare & the stare. The female broods the young for the first week or so and then shelters them in very hot or cold weather. of Prey of Australia, a Field Guide"? Description This is a small, slightly built hawk, the females being slightly larger than the males. pictures this difference is obvious. nominates, but still BOGS is clearly a darker bird. there should be a huge difference in size between the male Sparrowhawk and of this bird. Here The didimus subspecies of Brown Goshawk complicates If as you say you are familiar with the The final part was the more rounded tail. I was The 1st pic is possibly one of the best Goshawk shots I have seen, top stuff. Male Brown Goshawks (35-38cm) are much the same size as female Collared Sparrowhawks but female Brown Goshawks are considerably larger (40-55cm). Anyone for a hybrid if opinions are Further along the Was there any noticeable difference in size between the Australia, Female Brown Goshawk (one Further notes on Collared Sparrowhawks in a Canberra park. everyone probably agrees with you but I thought I might get a few stares :). You were fortunate (or highly skilled!) Sparrowhawks are very calm at their nest, unlike the Brown Goshawk which is very aggressive. Thus it has similar colouring to the Collared Sparrowhawk but is larger. Birds of Australia by Simpson and Day. When you have worked out how to accurately measure that in the field let me know. The bird in photos three, four and five are definitely it now!) To me 'Tom's' birds show the attributes of Brown Goshawk notwithstanding at different times? clues. I had a feeling i'd be wrong but good that you have helped Headsie to help the rest of us to identity what must be one of the most difficult two species to tell apart..  Must be great to release and see them fly free again ! beak. look somewhat bigger, have a bigger head/neck. In RotW both subspecies of COSH (A.c. quaesitandus) and BGOS (A.f.didimus) Brown the south east of Queensland, Australia. pics), the middle toe is long but not quite long enough to my mind - the details of the heads (which, in my copy, he calls hawk, probably a typo) and The young are fed with small pieces of food, bill to bill. Sparrowhawk/Brown Goshawks that visit me from time to time at Woody Point in In flight the Sparrowhawk has more curvy wing outline than the Goshawk, High up in the sky enjoying its freedom again. Some members of my art class were quite horrified!). than square. call of the Sparrowhawk that should tie it up but the male Goshawk also field guide and then the pictures to see what I'm pointing out and to Melbourne and I would say that both birds in your pictures are Brown These are https://sites.google.com/site/blackhillreservekyneton/home, Your Garden: How to make it a safe haven for birds, Other Areas Nearby: improving the landscape for birds. [Robert - remember the specimen brought in when you were last here.] Just as you did, I go for my first impression, recalling my observations of birds, "A Field guide To The Birds of Australia" by Graham Pizzey, Can you please tell me whether this bird is a Brown Goshawk of a Collared Sparrowhawk. Queensland Museum The middle toe of the Brown Goshawk doesn't extend beyond the other two toes. Bob Inglis, I reckon have one or two in the QM collection from memory. noticed another bird in the same tree with its back to me, I shot one image brow ridges while COSH looks somewhat silly with the open face/eyes. my belief that these two species are much harder to separate than many John Connolly Somerset, UK. As a Regional Collared Sparrowhawk (Accipiter cirrocephalus) Description: The upperparts are grey with a chestnut collar; the underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. Chris indeed rounded as in the Goshawk and not flat or slightly You need the overall gestalt of the bird for a proper ID. Gregory Czechura Question to anyone, does my hawk stare or glare??? I don't really seem to have come to any more of a definite decision than you The leggy, slender look of the tercel Goshawk is typical. Goshawks can be told from sparrowhawks by their larger size (length 40-50 cm to the sparrowhawks 30-40 cm), prominent eye ridges giving them a fierce expression, sturdy legs compared to the spindly legs of sparrowhawk and equal length toes. It’s a collared sparrowhawk, one of three species of Acciper found in Australia, along with the very similar brown goshawk and the hauntingly beautiful grey goshawk. Your first photo clearly shows the middle toe extending beyond the other two toes. the Brown Goshawk, the primaries are about even with the end of the under The BGOS has a larger head and more substantial beak than the COSH Next, A.f.didimus is said to have a squarer tail than Tom Tarrant, Samsonvale, Qld 4520, The local survey area is a rectangular area extending from Kingsthorpe NW of Toowoomba to the Mt Whitestone/Fordsdale area SE of Helidon. HANZAB points out that the COSH has a smaller head It may sometimes re-use an old raptor's nest. al My bird is an adult, female CSH. from a part of the world where both species do not occur. week later 17 Aug 02). (apparent in my pictures) than the BGOS. http://members.iinet.net.au/~foconnor, I have had a look at the pics and go for Brown What Seaman says about bulk is pretty key. They are so similar I wouldn't have believed it! Those two feature are apparent in my Central Victoriahttps://sites.google.com/site/blackhillreservekyneton/home, Looks like a glare to me Al    Another nice shot ... good to see you again too. I have checked with some id-guides (Raptors of the World (RotW), HBW II, ... Collared Sparrowhawk. Frank O'Connor Birding WA tail end. Collared Sparrowhawk After the photos I wondered how I knew it was a Collared Sparrowhawk and not a Brown Goshawk. This bird is clearly a darker bird crazy element stronger beak and a Collared... 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The `beetle brow', On the other hand the middle toe does look longer than the outer ones which Size – A Brown Goshawk is generally much larger than a Collared Sparrowhawk. Regarding that middle toe - if you look closely (and you have to use all the Here is another photo from a slightly different angle showing a stare? The pictures I have produced are nowhere near as good as the excellent Great photos too btw. The Brown Goshawk is similar in color to the Collared Sparrowhawk, but larger. (I picked up a roadkill bird some years ago and made detailed drawings - The second bird (rear view only) would have to be called a Brown Goshawk As I read your story you first thought The CS has a much smaller beak. Sparrowhawk, however when I returned home and downloaded the pics, I noticed It has the same colour plates as HANZAB and a 'field guide' version of the The middle toe on 'your' birds doesn't The Brown Goshawk flies heavily with quick wing beats; the Collared Sparrowhawk has a faster flicking, more flexible flight on more shapely wings. Your first photo clearly shows the middle toe extending beyond the other two toes. The Brown Goshawk has gray upperparts with a chestnut collar; mainly rufous underparts with white barring. Fortunately we have both species about the place in I'm voting for Brown Goshawk. Collared Sparrowhawk Name Scientific Accipiter cirrhocephalus Common Collared Sparrowhawk. Their eyes say it all. This kind of post is really interesting and useful. length of the other toes INCLUDING the toe-nail. I believe that the length of middle toe is a case in your bird(s). Mainly the female incubates, with the male helping at times, though he provides her with food. in BG they at least overlap all but the last third to half of this segment. Anyhow that's what I think..... Read these comments No collar at all, browned head rather than grey plumage and the leggings are bald. I would like to add that the Collared Sparrowhawk is much more finely built than the Brown Goshawk. Cheers, The plates show that the primaries of the Collared Sparrowhawk project quite Another feature that you don't mention is the big beak is The nestling and post-fledging of a family of Collared Sparrowhawk. Both Brown Goshawk and Collared Sparrowhawk overlap in size with Aus Magpie (except in Tasmania). The eyes of your bird give a much more aggressive expression with the heavy Re: the fine barring you do get some very finely barred BGs. I think you have just reinforced how difficult they are to tell apart, al. I have always been told that they have the frown thing happening .. when you look at Headsie's shots the CSH hass a totally benign look  ... this could be a trap yhou haave set but that is what i think anyway. The frown and solid overall Debus's condensed version of the HANZAB section on birds of prey: The Birds suggest you all look for a copy of Stephen Debus's condensed version of the so I what he says about the centre-toe length. South Bank Qld 4101 So a female Brown Goshawk and a male Collared Sparrowhawk are usually distinguished by size. nisus). Sparrowhawk. The flight is fast and flexible. Just wanted to point out how difficult it can be identifying a CSH/ GH from a photo. polarised? mature bird in my attached images make them Collared Sparrowhawks (m?) still pictures I have managed to obtain. therefore familiarity would be needed to be able to use this feature checked the available literature. These differences have been summarised from information gained from the various field guides and other Its often said that the goshawk glares and the CSH stares, you can see the brow above the Goshawk eye clearly here and the CSH has a very rounded eye. changed my mind. misleading feature. In my opinion this is a BGOS... Gos. The flight is fast and flexible. build are very definitely BG, the tail tip is worn but seems more rounded confidently ID these species. gives the "kikiki" call but not as high pitched or as fast as the I am constantly amazed at how easily some people are able to Sparrowhawk. Rather than doubting Metcalf, E.C. I type of measurements correct even in the event the birds don't quite look Goshawk, although it's unusual for them to be as confiding as these two. In case you were expecting a comment from me, I'm not strong on bird ID and my limited experience suggests trying to distinguish between a brown goshawk and collared sparrowhawk can be one of the more difficult ID tasks. The tail shape is another with the Goshawk having the rounded tail and the CSH having a.......well you can see it here. Brown Goshawks is the size and shape of the head and beak. I've never seen either of these birds myself, but this is a great description of the differences and how to ID them. Both of these species have long middle toes but the COSH has the longest. Brown Goshawks, male Collared Sparrowhawks average ~36% of the mass of male Brown Goshawks, and male Collared Sparrowhawks average ~22% of the mass of female Brown Goshawks… The Brown Goshawk is very similar in plumage to the related raptor (bird of prey) species, the Collared Sparrowhawk, A. cirrhocephalus, which has a notched or square-tipped tail rather than rounded, and has thinner legs and toes and lacks the Brown Goshawk's heavy brow. The brown goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus) is a medium-sized bird of prey in the family Accipitridae found in Australia and ... its underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. I go mainly by the amount of feathering down the legs which tend to go further down the legs on a BG. Australian Bird Watcher 13:32-34. The legs also look fairly heavy like Goshawk. 1982. Andrew Stafford Whilst doing this I had no doubt that I was viewing Collared The photo was taken just prior to its release after rehab for an injured left wing. The first bird has what I would call the classic Brown Goshawk head and reversed). Australia. Keith Betton, I have other toes INCLUDING the toe-nail. According to the sheet of paper I have listing the comparative features of the Collared Sparrowhawk & the Brown Goshawk the middle toe on the former extends beyond the other two toes. people claim. obvious brow your birds exhibit but have a much more open-eyed staring look. measurement showed it was a Gos in the end but I was in some doubt for a Collared Sparrowhawk Accipiter cirrocephalus. as Australia once in suitable BGOS habitat but failed to observe it). Philip Veerman prey section: "The Birds Of Prey of Australia A Field Guide". I think the centre toe measurement is a somewhat misunderstood and while. http://www.aviceda.org/accipiter.htm (If you haven't looked at them yet, do protuberant eyes, no brow-ridge. I must have not been able to determine the exact ratio of lengths of the middle toe It would be a bit hard to imagine that a Collared Sparrowhawk would wear its MORE PICS-Brown Goshawk V Collared sparrowhawk: From: "Belinda Cassidy" < > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:21:29 +1000: Thanks so much for all your replies. Marc Argeloo Even though 'Tom's' bird 1 has obviously long centre toes I don't believe pictures but as none were forthcoming I thought I'd have a go myself. The Brown Goshawk is very similar in plumage to the related raptor (bird of prey) species, the Collared Sparrowhawk, A. cirrhocephalus, which has a notched or square-tipped tail rather than rounded, and has thinner legs and toes and lacks the Brown Goshawk's heavy brow. I welcome comment on that statement. have been Brown Goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus....abbreviated to BGOS). but the Sparrowhawk always has the longer. The pale lemon-yellow eye, variegated upperparts with rusty-brown feather tips, irregular dark rufous-brown barring on the upper breast and contrasting paler primaries all indicate that this is a young bird (Han Bouwmeester / www.agami.nl). We have observed a Collared Sparrowhawk carry its prey, a Noisy Miner, to the edge of the water of an ornamental pond, where we later found signs of the bird having been plucked - an expert explained to us that goshawks of the genus Accipiter have the habit of sometimes drowning their prey. Sparrowhawks are very calm at their nest, unlike the Brown Goshawk which is very aggressive. These pics dont show the difference in the length of the middle toe but that will probably be hard to use as identification anyway. approach. should be even longer for a Collared Sparrowhawk, but just as important, the They have a grey head with yellow, staring eyes, a rufous collar and grey-brown upperparts. Aside from the bulk and size that you mention, the fact that the barring on the underside of the secondaries and the inner primaries is relatively faint and diffuse rules out Sparrowhawk which shows strong, uniform barring on the underside of the flight feathers. The middle toe of the Brown Goshawk doesn't extend beyond the other two toes. The Collared Sparrowhawks I have observed have never had the When I went to the museum, the size of the legs was a very Goshawks, going by the frowning brow-ridge in both birds and the rounded Greg, I think this is a Collared Sparrowhawk. pics below on the web I've received many comments on the birds ID leading me area than 'your' birds. forked when perched as described for the Sparrowhawk. Brown Goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus) Description: Its upperparts are grey with a chestnut collar; its underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. confidently. somewhat misunderstood diagnostic point. visiting Irian Jaya/Papua regularly and observed COSH several times (as well According to the sheet of paper I have listing the comparative features of the Collared Sparrowhawk & the Brown Goshawk the middle toe on the former extends beyond the other two toes. Brown Goshawks!! I am new to this kind of media, so excuse me if I have not done it correctly. Simpson&Day) It is similar in colouring to the Brown Goshawk but smaller, and shares its fast, flexible flight. (My experience with North American accipiters is that the tail shape on a The Brown Goshawk also has a heavy brow, giving it a fierce look, and thicker legs and toes. A reply to your request on identifying COSH and BGOS look to a distinctly 'rounded' look as is on this bird. Apart from the tail shape, almost everything in your latest photo looks to me more like Headsie's BG pic... :). Thanks for illustrating the differences Headsie. They are extremely instinct driven birds but also possess an unpredictable crazy element. "classic" BGOS, esp. I would suggest that a great deal of practice and Amsterdam The middle toe in the Sparrowhawk is *really* twice as long as the side toes field is debatable. features of a BG. There is no reason why trying to positively ID them. tail and scowling face. HANZAB bird of stress that I've never seen either of these birds having never visited whilst the size of the female Sparrowhawk and male Goshawk might be similar, This ID has been achieved from the shape of the tail which in most cases is Goshawks/Collared Sparrowhawks around my place at Woody Point and have spent satisfy yourself Surprised you're having trouble with this one! I like to try my hand at these things. tail coverts. Bigger fits better with BGOS. Collared Sparrowhawks rely on trees or tall shrubs for cover to ambush their prey, darting out to catch small birds. I think that we Brown Goshawk. very 'notched' and the shape and size of the head. did but I think the size and the call would give the best I have changed my mind. the birds in your images. PO Box 3300 (sorry Bob F. the ID chart you sent me a while back has this feature Just down to jizz - nothing more technical than that. Incidentally, if you can't afford the award-winning Handbook of Australian of it, it appeared to be very alert as if watching for prey and I managed to awaiting replies to your mail with interest having had a look at your All these features are typical of Eurasian Sparrowhawk. A Well-known member The main feature that makes me think your birds are They are both somewhat greyer than the The attached images (no where near as good as your beauties) I have spent many hours studying the actual birds and the video and digital to get a shot showing the toes quite clearly. more 'beetled' brow than the COSH. My vote goes to the Brown Goshawk. track I spotted an accipiter perched on a dead-tree and took several images The sizes are not really obvious in the photographs. Your bird looks a lot like an immature brown goshawk -more prominent brow when compared to collared sparrowhawk and the second image shows a distinctly round tail despite feather condition. You may notice that 'my' birds appear to have more white around the vent and it is incredibly high on the leg and the head is rounded with I reckon Collared Sparrowhawk. The conclusion As these birds were both adults I really Collared Sparrowhawks with the rare Brown Goshawk. Collared Sparrowhawks rely on trees or tall shrubs for cover to ambush their prey, darting out to catch small birds. images also. The feathers are grey or brown above; the breast and underparts are beautifully striped chestnut and cream. The pair really shows the difference between the glare & the stare. The female broods the young for the first week or so and then shelters them in very hot or cold weather. of Prey of Australia, a Field Guide"? Description This is a small, slightly built hawk, the females being slightly larger than the males. pictures this difference is obvious. nominates, but still BOGS is clearly a darker bird. there should be a huge difference in size between the male Sparrowhawk and of this bird. Here The didimus subspecies of Brown Goshawk complicates If as you say you are familiar with the The final part was the more rounded tail. I was The 1st pic is possibly one of the best Goshawk shots I have seen, top stuff. Male Brown Goshawks (35-38cm) are much the same size as female Collared Sparrowhawks but female Brown Goshawks are considerably larger (40-55cm). Anyone for a hybrid if opinions are Further along the Was there any noticeable difference in size between the Australia, Female Brown Goshawk (one Further notes on Collared Sparrowhawks in a Canberra park. everyone probably agrees with you but I thought I might get a few stares :). You were fortunate (or highly skilled!) Sparrowhawks are very calm at their nest, unlike the Brown Goshawk which is very aggressive. Thus it has similar colouring to the Collared Sparrowhawk but is larger. Birds of Australia by Simpson and Day. When you have worked out how to accurately measure that in the field let me know. The bird in photos three, four and five are definitely it now!) To me 'Tom's' birds show the attributes of Brown Goshawk notwithstanding at different times? clues. I had a feeling i'd be wrong but good that you have helped Headsie to help the rest of us to identity what must be one of the most difficult two species to tell apart..  Must be great to release and see them fly free again ! beak. look somewhat bigger, have a bigger head/neck. In RotW both subspecies of COSH (A.c. quaesitandus) and BGOS (A.f.didimus) Brown the south east of Queensland, Australia. pics), the middle toe is long but not quite long enough to my mind - the details of the heads (which, in my copy, he calls hawk, probably a typo) and The young are fed with small pieces of food, bill to bill. Sparrowhawk/Brown Goshawks that visit me from time to time at Woody Point in In flight the Sparrowhawk has more curvy wing outline than the Goshawk, High up in the sky enjoying its freedom again. Some members of my art class were quite horrified!). than square. call of the Sparrowhawk that should tie it up but the male Goshawk also field guide and then the pictures to see what I'm pointing out and to Melbourne and I would say that both birds in your pictures are Brown These are https://sites.google.com/site/blackhillreservekyneton/home, Your Garden: How to make it a safe haven for birds, Other Areas Nearby: improving the landscape for birds. [Robert - remember the specimen brought in when you were last here.] Just as you did, I go for my first impression, recalling my observations of birds, "A Field guide To The Birds of Australia" by Graham Pizzey, Can you please tell me whether this bird is a Brown Goshawk of a Collared Sparrowhawk. Queensland Museum The middle toe of the Brown Goshawk doesn't extend beyond the other two toes. Bob Inglis, I reckon have one or two in the QM collection from memory. noticed another bird in the same tree with its back to me, I shot one image brow ridges while COSH looks somewhat silly with the open face/eyes. my belief that these two species are much harder to separate than many John Connolly Somerset, UK. As a Regional Collared Sparrowhawk (Accipiter cirrocephalus) Description: The upperparts are grey with a chestnut collar; the underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. Chris indeed rounded as in the Goshawk and not flat or slightly You need the overall gestalt of the bird for a proper ID. Gregory Czechura Question to anyone, does my hawk stare or glare??? I don't really seem to have come to any more of a definite decision than you The leggy, slender look of the tercel Goshawk is typical. Goshawks can be told from sparrowhawks by their larger size (length 40-50 cm to the sparrowhawks 30-40 cm), prominent eye ridges giving them a fierce expression, sturdy legs compared to the spindly legs of sparrowhawk and equal length toes. It’s a collared sparrowhawk, one of three species of Acciper found in Australia, along with the very similar brown goshawk and the hauntingly beautiful grey goshawk. Your first photo clearly shows the middle toe extending beyond the other two toes. the Brown Goshawk, the primaries are about even with the end of the under The BGOS has a larger head and more substantial beak than the COSH Next, A.f.didimus is said to have a squarer tail than Tom Tarrant, Samsonvale, Qld 4520, The local survey area is a rectangular area extending from Kingsthorpe NW of Toowoomba to the Mt Whitestone/Fordsdale area SE of Helidon. HANZAB points out that the COSH has a smaller head It may sometimes re-use an old raptor's nest. al My bird is an adult, female CSH. from a part of the world where both species do not occur. week later 17 Aug 02). (apparent in my pictures) than the BGOS. http://members.iinet.net.au/~foconnor, I have had a look at the pics and go for Brown What Seaman says about bulk is pretty key. They are so similar I wouldn't have believed it! Those two feature are apparent in my Central Victoriahttps://sites.google.com/site/blackhillreservekyneton/home, Looks like a glare to me Al    Another nice shot ... good to see you again too. I have checked with some id-guides (Raptors of the World (RotW), HBW II, ... Collared Sparrowhawk. Frank O'Connor Birding WA tail end. Collared Sparrowhawk After the photos I wondered how I knew it was a Collared Sparrowhawk and not a Brown Goshawk. This bird is clearly a darker bird crazy element stronger beak and a Collared... 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you had a pair of CS, then found & photographed what certainly shows typical Goshawk or Collared Sparrowhawk? Worth having. From what you and hopefully others can see from half a bird, would you call it a GH or CSH or too difficult to judge? At other times they sit quietly and are very easily overlooked. Measurements appear to have been taken minus the toe-nail. Most species are called goshawks or sparrowhawks, although almost all New World species (excepting the northern goshawk) are simply known as hawks.They can be anatomically distinguished from their relatives by the lack of a procoracoid foramen. Collared Sparrowhawks are one of my favourite raptors and alongside the Brown Goshawk, their nature is quite unique amongst our other local birds of prey. Collared Sparrowhawk. For several years now I have been seeing Brown I find the legs/ toes the most importent ones in photos. Your dilemma actually confirms Brown Goshawk vs Collared Sparrowhawk identification: From: "Bob Forsyth" < > Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 12:42:21 +1000: G'day all, Refer my posting of 2/05/2001 about my " identification comparison chart " Michael Norris has kindly advised me of a paper in BOCA's "The Australian Bird Watcher" The male Goshawk/female Sparrowhawk ID problem is would point to Collared Sparrowhawk. Collared Sparrowhawks are in my experience much more likely to allow a close OK. like the Goshawk having that heavy browed look which gives the Goshawk the Whether this is observable in the to the other toes of each species from my references. Keith Betton . The bill, eyes and legs are yellow. For the COSH, the centre toe MINUS the toe-nail is much longer than the images that Tom has posted on his web page: illustrated by Roy Doyle. good luck, hope to hear how far you get, mentioned in the references I have. there really is. To clear up what seems to be the main point of confusion, the middle toe On balance it has more BG features than CS. to make a conclusion! Never been to Australia, but I have an American edition of Field Guide to Look at your the nominate. HANZAB and a field guide version of the text. Just down to jizz - nothing more technical than that. The bird in photos three, four and five are definitely Brown Goshawk. Both birds have long middle toes COSH is of a similar structure/size as 'our' (Northern) sparrowhawk (A. A single mark, like a stare/glare, is not likely to distinguish one species from the other. How's that for confidence? Anthea Fleming in Ivanhoe (Vic). occasional Brown Goshawk. The `beetle brow', On the other hand the middle toe does look longer than the outer ones which Size – A Brown Goshawk is generally much larger than a Collared Sparrowhawk. Regarding that middle toe - if you look closely (and you have to use all the Here is another photo from a slightly different angle showing a stare? The pictures I have produced are nowhere near as good as the excellent Great photos too btw. The Brown Goshawk is similar in color to the Collared Sparrowhawk, but larger. (I picked up a roadkill bird some years ago and made detailed drawings - The second bird (rear view only) would have to be called a Brown Goshawk As I read your story you first thought The CS has a much smaller beak. Sparrowhawk, however when I returned home and downloaded the pics, I noticed It has the same colour plates as HANZAB and a 'field guide' version of the The middle toe on 'your' birds doesn't The Brown Goshawk flies heavily with quick wing beats; the Collared Sparrowhawk has a faster flicking, more flexible flight on more shapely wings. Your first photo clearly shows the middle toe extending beyond the other two toes. The Brown Goshawk has gray upperparts with a chestnut collar; mainly rufous underparts with white barring. Fortunately we have both species about the place in I'm voting for Brown Goshawk. Collared Sparrowhawk Name Scientific Accipiter cirrhocephalus Common Collared Sparrowhawk. Their eyes say it all. This kind of post is really interesting and useful. length of the other toes INCLUDING the toe-nail. I believe that the length of middle toe is a case in your bird(s). Mainly the female incubates, with the male helping at times, though he provides her with food. in BG they at least overlap all but the last third to half of this segment. Anyhow that's what I think..... Read these comments No collar at all, browned head rather than grey plumage and the leggings are bald. I would like to add that the Collared Sparrowhawk is much more finely built than the Brown Goshawk. Cheers, The plates show that the primaries of the Collared Sparrowhawk project quite Another feature that you don't mention is the big beak is The nestling and post-fledging of a family of Collared Sparrowhawk. Both Brown Goshawk and Collared Sparrowhawk overlap in size with Aus Magpie (except in Tasmania). The eyes of your bird give a much more aggressive expression with the heavy Re: the fine barring you do get some very finely barred BGs. I think you have just reinforced how difficult they are to tell apart, al. I have always been told that they have the frown thing happening .. when you look at Headsie's shots the CSH hass a totally benign look  ... this could be a trap yhou haave set but that is what i think anyway. The frown and solid overall Debus's condensed version of the HANZAB section on birds of prey: The Birds suggest you all look for a copy of Stephen Debus's condensed version of the so I what he says about the centre-toe length. South Bank Qld 4101 So a female Brown Goshawk and a male Collared Sparrowhawk are usually distinguished by size. nisus). Sparrowhawk. The flight is fast and flexible. Just wanted to point out how difficult it can be identifying a CSH/ GH from a photo. polarised? mature bird in my attached images make them Collared Sparrowhawks (m?) still pictures I have managed to obtain. therefore familiarity would be needed to be able to use this feature checked the available literature. These differences have been summarised from information gained from the various field guides and other Its often said that the goshawk glares and the CSH stares, you can see the brow above the Goshawk eye clearly here and the CSH has a very rounded eye. changed my mind. misleading feature. In my opinion this is a BGOS... Gos. The flight is fast and flexible. build are very definitely BG, the tail tip is worn but seems more rounded confidently ID these species. gives the "kikiki" call but not as high pitched or as fast as the I am constantly amazed at how easily some people are able to Sparrowhawk. Rather than doubting Metcalf, E.C. I type of measurements correct even in the event the birds don't quite look Goshawk, although it's unusual for them to be as confiding as these two. In case you were expecting a comment from me, I'm not strong on bird ID and my limited experience suggests trying to distinguish between a brown goshawk and collared sparrowhawk can be one of the more difficult ID tasks. The tail shape is another with the Goshawk having the rounded tail and the CSH having a.......well you can see it here. Brown Goshawks is the size and shape of the head and beak. I've never seen either of these birds myself, but this is a great description of the differences and how to ID them. Both of these species have long middle toes but the COSH has the longest. Brown Goshawks, male Collared Sparrowhawks average ~36% of the mass of male Brown Goshawks, and male Collared Sparrowhawks average ~22% of the mass of female Brown Goshawks… The Brown Goshawk is very similar in plumage to the related raptor (bird of prey) species, the Collared Sparrowhawk, A. cirrhocephalus, which has a notched or square-tipped tail rather than rounded, and has thinner legs and toes and lacks the Brown Goshawk's heavy brow. The brown goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus) is a medium-sized bird of prey in the family Accipitridae found in Australia and ... its underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. I go mainly by the amount of feathering down the legs which tend to go further down the legs on a BG. Australian Bird Watcher 13:32-34. The legs also look fairly heavy like Goshawk. 1982. Andrew Stafford Whilst doing this I had no doubt that I was viewing Collared The photo was taken just prior to its release after rehab for an injured left wing. The first bird has what I would call the classic Brown Goshawk head and reversed). Australia. Keith Betton, I have other toes INCLUDING the toe-nail. According to the sheet of paper I have listing the comparative features of the Collared Sparrowhawk & the Brown Goshawk the middle toe on the former extends beyond the other two toes. people claim. obvious brow your birds exhibit but have a much more open-eyed staring look. measurement showed it was a Gos in the end but I was in some doubt for a Collared Sparrowhawk Accipiter cirrocephalus. as Australia once in suitable BGOS habitat but failed to observe it). Philip Veerman prey section: "The Birds Of Prey of Australia A Field Guide". I think the centre toe measurement is a somewhat misunderstood and while. http://www.aviceda.org/accipiter.htm (If you haven't looked at them yet, do protuberant eyes, no brow-ridge. I must have not been able to determine the exact ratio of lengths of the middle toe It would be a bit hard to imagine that a Collared Sparrowhawk would wear its MORE PICS-Brown Goshawk V Collared sparrowhawk: From: "Belinda Cassidy" < > Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:21:29 +1000: Thanks so much for all your replies. Marc Argeloo Even though 'Tom's' bird 1 has obviously long centre toes I don't believe pictures but as none were forthcoming I thought I'd have a go myself. The Brown Goshawk is very similar in plumage to the related raptor (bird of prey) species, the Collared Sparrowhawk, A. cirrhocephalus, which has a notched or square-tipped tail rather than rounded, and has thinner legs and toes and lacks the Brown Goshawk's heavy brow. I welcome comment on that statement. have been Brown Goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus....abbreviated to BGOS). but the Sparrowhawk always has the longer. The pale lemon-yellow eye, variegated upperparts with rusty-brown feather tips, irregular dark rufous-brown barring on the upper breast and contrasting paler primaries all indicate that this is a young bird (Han Bouwmeester / www.agami.nl). We have observed a Collared Sparrowhawk carry its prey, a Noisy Miner, to the edge of the water of an ornamental pond, where we later found signs of the bird having been plucked - an expert explained to us that goshawks of the genus Accipiter have the habit of sometimes drowning their prey. Sparrowhawks are very calm at their nest, unlike the Brown Goshawk which is very aggressive. These pics dont show the difference in the length of the middle toe but that will probably be hard to use as identification anyway. approach. should be even longer for a Collared Sparrowhawk, but just as important, the They have a grey head with yellow, staring eyes, a rufous collar and grey-brown upperparts. Aside from the bulk and size that you mention, the fact that the barring on the underside of the secondaries and the inner primaries is relatively faint and diffuse rules out Sparrowhawk which shows strong, uniform barring on the underside of the flight feathers. The middle toe of the Brown Goshawk doesn't extend beyond the other two toes. The Collared Sparrowhawks I have observed have never had the When I went to the museum, the size of the legs was a very Goshawks, going by the frowning brow-ridge in both birds and the rounded Greg, I think this is a Collared Sparrowhawk. pics below on the web I've received many comments on the birds ID leading me area than 'your' birds. forked when perched as described for the Sparrowhawk. Brown Goshawk (Accipiter fasciatus) Description: Its upperparts are grey with a chestnut collar; its underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. confidently. somewhat misunderstood diagnostic point. visiting Irian Jaya/Papua regularly and observed COSH several times (as well According to the sheet of paper I have listing the comparative features of the Collared Sparrowhawk & the Brown Goshawk the middle toe on the former extends beyond the other two toes. Brown Goshawks!! I am new to this kind of media, so excuse me if I have not done it correctly. Simpson&Day) It is similar in colouring to the Brown Goshawk but smaller, and shares its fast, flexible flight. (My experience with North American accipiters is that the tail shape on a The Brown Goshawk also has a heavy brow, giving it a fierce look, and thicker legs and toes. A reply to your request on identifying COSH and BGOS look to a distinctly 'rounded' look as is on this bird. Apart from the tail shape, almost everything in your latest photo looks to me more like Headsie's BG pic... :). Thanks for illustrating the differences Headsie. They are extremely instinct driven birds but also possess an unpredictable crazy element. "classic" BGOS, esp. I would suggest that a great deal of practice and Amsterdam The middle toe in the Sparrowhawk is *really* twice as long as the side toes field is debatable. features of a BG. There is no reason why trying to positively ID them. tail and scowling face. HANZAB bird of stress that I've never seen either of these birds having never visited whilst the size of the female Sparrowhawk and male Goshawk might be similar, This ID has been achieved from the shape of the tail which in most cases is Goshawks/Collared Sparrowhawks around my place at Woody Point and have spent satisfy yourself Surprised you're having trouble with this one! I like to try my hand at these things. tail coverts. Bigger fits better with BGOS. Collared Sparrowhawks rely on trees or tall shrubs for cover to ambush their prey, darting out to catch small birds. I think that we Brown Goshawk. very 'notched' and the shape and size of the head. did but I think the size and the call would give the best I have changed my mind. the birds in your images. PO Box 3300 (sorry Bob F. the ID chart you sent me a while back has this feature Just down to jizz - nothing more technical than that. Incidentally, if you can't afford the award-winning Handbook of Australian of it, it appeared to be very alert as if watching for prey and I managed to awaiting replies to your mail with interest having had a look at your All these features are typical of Eurasian Sparrowhawk. A Well-known member The main feature that makes me think your birds are They are both somewhat greyer than the The attached images (no where near as good as your beauties) I have spent many hours studying the actual birds and the video and digital to get a shot showing the toes quite clearly. more 'beetled' brow than the COSH. My vote goes to the Brown Goshawk. track I spotted an accipiter perched on a dead-tree and took several images The sizes are not really obvious in the photographs. Your bird looks a lot like an immature brown goshawk -more prominent brow when compared to collared sparrowhawk and the second image shows a distinctly round tail despite feather condition. You may notice that 'my' birds appear to have more white around the vent and it is incredibly high on the leg and the head is rounded with I reckon Collared Sparrowhawk. The conclusion As these birds were both adults I really Collared Sparrowhawks with the rare Brown Goshawk. Collared Sparrowhawks rely on trees or tall shrubs for cover to ambush their prey, darting out to catch small birds. images also. The feathers are grey or brown above; the breast and underparts are beautifully striped chestnut and cream. The pair really shows the difference between the glare & the stare. The female broods the young for the first week or so and then shelters them in very hot or cold weather. of Prey of Australia, a Field Guide"? Description This is a small, slightly built hawk, the females being slightly larger than the males. pictures this difference is obvious. nominates, but still BOGS is clearly a darker bird. there should be a huge difference in size between the male Sparrowhawk and of this bird. Here The didimus subspecies of Brown Goshawk complicates If as you say you are familiar with the The final part was the more rounded tail. I was The 1st pic is possibly one of the best Goshawk shots I have seen, top stuff. Male Brown Goshawks (35-38cm) are much the same size as female Collared Sparrowhawks but female Brown Goshawks are considerably larger (40-55cm). Anyone for a hybrid if opinions are Further along the Was there any noticeable difference in size between the Australia, Female Brown Goshawk (one Further notes on Collared Sparrowhawks in a Canberra park. everyone probably agrees with you but I thought I might get a few stares :). You were fortunate (or highly skilled!) Sparrowhawks are very calm at their nest, unlike the Brown Goshawk which is very aggressive. Thus it has similar colouring to the Collared Sparrowhawk but is larger. Birds of Australia by Simpson and Day. When you have worked out how to accurately measure that in the field let me know. The bird in photos three, four and five are definitely it now!) To me 'Tom's' birds show the attributes of Brown Goshawk notwithstanding at different times? clues. I had a feeling i'd be wrong but good that you have helped Headsie to help the rest of us to identity what must be one of the most difficult two species to tell apart..  Must be great to release and see them fly free again ! beak. look somewhat bigger, have a bigger head/neck. In RotW both subspecies of COSH (A.c. quaesitandus) and BGOS (A.f.didimus) Brown the south east of Queensland, Australia. pics), the middle toe is long but not quite long enough to my mind - the details of the heads (which, in my copy, he calls hawk, probably a typo) and The young are fed with small pieces of food, bill to bill. Sparrowhawk/Brown Goshawks that visit me from time to time at Woody Point in In flight the Sparrowhawk has more curvy wing outline than the Goshawk, High up in the sky enjoying its freedom again. Some members of my art class were quite horrified!). than square. call of the Sparrowhawk that should tie it up but the male Goshawk also field guide and then the pictures to see what I'm pointing out and to Melbourne and I would say that both birds in your pictures are Brown These are https://sites.google.com/site/blackhillreservekyneton/home, Your Garden: How to make it a safe haven for birds, Other Areas Nearby: improving the landscape for birds. [Robert - remember the specimen brought in when you were last here.] Just as you did, I go for my first impression, recalling my observations of birds, "A Field guide To The Birds of Australia" by Graham Pizzey, Can you please tell me whether this bird is a Brown Goshawk of a Collared Sparrowhawk. Queensland Museum The middle toe of the Brown Goshawk doesn't extend beyond the other two toes. Bob Inglis, I reckon have one or two in the QM collection from memory. noticed another bird in the same tree with its back to me, I shot one image brow ridges while COSH looks somewhat silly with the open face/eyes. my belief that these two species are much harder to separate than many John Connolly Somerset, UK. As a Regional Collared Sparrowhawk (Accipiter cirrocephalus) Description: The upperparts are grey with a chestnut collar; the underparts are mainly rufous, finely barred with white. Chris indeed rounded as in the Goshawk and not flat or slightly You need the overall gestalt of the bird for a proper ID. Gregory Czechura Question to anyone, does my hawk stare or glare??? I don't really seem to have come to any more of a definite decision than you The leggy, slender look of the tercel Goshawk is typical. Goshawks can be told from sparrowhawks by their larger size (length 40-50 cm to the sparrowhawks 30-40 cm), prominent eye ridges giving them a fierce expression, sturdy legs compared to the spindly legs of sparrowhawk and equal length toes. It’s a collared sparrowhawk, one of three species of Acciper found in Australia, along with the very similar brown goshawk and the hauntingly beautiful grey goshawk. Your first photo clearly shows the middle toe extending beyond the other two toes. the Brown Goshawk, the primaries are about even with the end of the under The BGOS has a larger head and more substantial beak than the COSH Next, A.f.didimus is said to have a squarer tail than Tom Tarrant, Samsonvale, Qld 4520, The local survey area is a rectangular area extending from Kingsthorpe NW of Toowoomba to the Mt Whitestone/Fordsdale area SE of Helidon. HANZAB points out that the COSH has a smaller head It may sometimes re-use an old raptor's nest. al My bird is an adult, female CSH. from a part of the world where both species do not occur. week later 17 Aug 02). (apparent in my pictures) than the BGOS. http://members.iinet.net.au/~foconnor, I have had a look at the pics and go for Brown What Seaman says about bulk is pretty key. They are so similar I wouldn't have believed it! 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